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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 26, 2011 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

DP 36 for many reasons. I'll elaborate later today. Need to listen to a few tracks first.

1972-10-18 is very very well played, but not nearly enough jamming for me to consider it the best show of fall '72. I like the fact that DP 36 clocks in at 4 hrs 39 min, although 3 songs are from a different show.

very cool suggestion cliff. can't wait to check that out

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-09-26 16:02:12

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Sep 26, 2011 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

I could not say I have a favorite show,but I will say that Sept-Dec 72' represents the GD at the peak of their powers.If you were to investigate their performances of the more jam oriented material you would find 42 extraordinary performances of the big 3,Dark Star,Playin' and the Other One,amongst those 7 all-time versions of those songs.
Dark Star-9/24
Playin'-10/9 11/15 11/18
Other One-9/15 9/28 12/10

Add to that 11 extraordinary Bird Songs and about 90 very good to extraordinary performances of the rest of the catalog in a 41 show span and you have a pretty fine output.During those four months I find Keith's playing to be at it's high point for his tenure with the band,and Jerry never had that psychedelic quality to his sound again.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 26, 2011 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

Couldn't agree more about Keith's work in the band during this time. With Pig's declining health I think he really felt the pressure to make his presence known.

What would you consider other standout dark stars?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Sep 26, 2011 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

Here are 6 that I consider all-time versions:

6/7/69
8/3/69-with guest saxophonist and violinist(not to everyone's liking)
5/18/72
7/18/72
3/28/73
12/6/73

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

thanks for your input jer. I agree with all of that. except for the fact that you left out 9/21 and 11-13's dark star and 9-3, 9-17's other one. As my grandpa would say "boy you out cho damn mine!". I like 12-10's other one, but i dont think its as good as either 9-3 or 9-17. As for playin's I can't say.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 26, 2011 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

Not enough jamming in 10-18-72? It has more jamming than 10-17 and 10-19 combined...

I have a soft spot for 11-13-72, strictly for the very dark & intense Dark Star>Dew. (The rest of the second set is basically filler.)
Though the Dead may not have been playing with him in mind, it's easy to hear this as a kind of elegy for the Allmans' bass player Berry Oakley, who'd died two days before. (The Allmans were supposed to tour with the Dead in the Texas shows the following week.) The Dead didn't play Morning Dew again until 12/15.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 26, 2011 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

"Not enough jamming in 10-18-72? It has more jamming than 10-17 and 10-19 combined... "

I'm not comparing 10-18 to the other Fox Theatre shows. All 3 of them don't have a lot of jamming. I'm picking my favorite fall '72 show and for me that requires more than the standard amount of jamming. 10-18-72 has a nice DS and a nice short PITB. Other than that, most songs are only in the 5 minute range and are pretty standard versions. The quality of playing in all 3 Fox Theatre shows is way up there, but I can't consider any of them the best fall '72 show.

DP 36 is my favorite right now mostly due to the DS>Dew, but I find the whole show to be way above average. So many highlights for me and I love the setlist as well.

Even DP36 which I picked, is only my favorite right now. When it comes to the Dead my favorites are constantly changing for the most part.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 26, 2011 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

I think I see what you mean, you seem to be referring to setlists. They only had a handful of real "jam" songs in late 1972, so most shows tended to have the same amount of jamming, except the ones that had less...
A few shoot the works, though - 9/21 for instance, the second set starts with He's Gone>Truckin', neither of which were played on 10/18. (And 9/21 is, of course, a much longer show.) But much the same short five-minute tunes bulked up the setlists on any given night; and that tendency would become even more extreme in early '73...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

man I played the 11-13 ds > dew the other day while riding in a coach bus through scenic parts of SW wisconsin. It was a cosmic 40ish minutes. Its gotta be a top 3 version of the ds > dew sequence, right?

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

while not as long, time wise, the playin > drums > DS > Dew > playin is one of the best jams of all 72. Jamming is not only based on time but also the route thats taken. I can't think of a cooler jam sequence than that from all of 72. And if it looks good on paper, just wait til ya hear it.

Sorry, but I must badger those who don't strictly hype 10-18. MUHAHAHAHHA